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why i dislike jacob black 
22nd-Apr-2008 09:57 pm
random - bed laying
So i figured i would make my post my life has been pretty crazy so I haven't exactly made a entry about my thoughts.

Jacob Black and why I dislike him.

Sure he has his somewhat good points I think... maybe. He was sorta a good friend for Bella in New Moon but I wasn't completely sold on him. However whatever good points he had was completely taken away in Eclipse. I get there is fans I really do. However, putting my love for Edward aside and lets pretend he isn't even in the picture.

What guy any guy for that matter has the right to force himself on a girl? Bella didn't want Jacob kissing her she kept trying to push him away and couldn't he was FORCING himself on her. I don't know about you but I wonder what really would have happened if she hadn't punched him, not that it hurt him but still. Many guys have done the same thing taken things too far where in end the girl gets raped... I am not saying Stephenie would have gone there.. {mostly because she loves jacob] but still. his actions doesn't change it.

He is so manipulative of her telling her that he rather he be dead granted I know I have said things in anger but nothing so harsh. Not to mention that last major scene between Jacob/Bella when he tells her he is going to go kill himself if she doesn't kiss me. Really come on if that isn't down right manipulative and being the worse kind of guy ever. Knowing how that would affect her know how caring and trusting she is.... I don't know.

I loathe all that is Jacob Black. I prefer he not be in the last book anywhere near Bella... but we all know he will be there.

And I truly believe Bella isn't "in-love" with Jacob maybe as a friend or family but nothing more, Jacob just manipulating her into thinking she is


I am a Edward/Bella girl because sure Edward has his points when I want to smack him but at least he doesn't manipulate her or make her feel guilty
Comments 
23rd-Apr-2008 06:31 am (UTC)
I think that the turning point for Jacob was when he became a full-fledged werewolf...it took away the innocence that he had in Twilight and the beginning of New Moon that made him likeable, and he just became bitter and angry. I'm totally with you on his manipulative side, I think that's where Edward has the edge on him - Edward is selfless, and everything he does is based on Bella's interests, Bella's safety, Bella's happiness. Jacob lacks that kind of selflessness, and I think he cares more about what make HIM happy than what would make Bella happy. It could have something to do with the age difference between Edward and Jacob - Edward has a century's worth of life experience and sees things in a clearer perspective; compared to him, Jacob is, well, a pup. ;)
23rd-Apr-2008 08:22 am (UTC)
I agree with the whole Bella isn't 'in-love' thing, I've always been a firm beleiver that you can love someone, but not be in love with them.

Hell I agree with everything you said and more as you well know. Jacob forcing Bella into both those kisses really is a big tip off for me hating him. He could have taken those out and I could have tolerated him.

Your right, he knew how caring she is, he KNEW just how strongly it would affect her to have him die out there on that feild. And he was still so selfish to possibly hurt her so badly. Threatened suicide is a but deep cut in his character for me and nothing can make up for it, him not even really intending to do so just as Edward had implied makes it all the worse for me. Im sorry, I don't understand how people can let him off so lightly and say he was just doing this this and this when he threatened suicide. I mean really, he literally made Bella have to chose between his life and death, and thats wrong.

I hope he realizes how badly he hurt her anyway at the end of New Moon. Yes Bella 'broke his heart' but its tearing her appart inside, and all he can think about is himself. Thats how he comes off to me like its all about what HE wants. He uses Edward's protectiveness to try and get Bella to sympathize but Geeze.

Edward is willing to give up everything, his own happiness and everything to keep Bella safe. WTF Is Jacob willing to do? Nothing. He puts her in danger constantly and says he can control himself. He can't possibly know his limits, he is a selfish kid who is upset because the other boy came back and took his play toy away.
23rd-Apr-2008 04:11 pm (UTC)
I have to say that everything you guys have already said about Jacob I completely agree with. Jacob has no redeeming qualities in him at all. I've tried discussing this with some friends who like Jacob and see no problem in the things that he did to Bella but they don't want to listen to what I have to say.

I loathe Jacob Black and part of me wanted him to die out there on that field.

He's nothing but an immature manipulative little boy who has only his interests in mind when he does or says things. All I can say is that I hope the new book doesn't focus a lot on Jacob.
3rd-May-2008 04:16 pm (UTC)
well maybe you're right. but I have to admit: I like jacob for all the causes you loathe him. maybe he's the only male person in the series who's not perfect (for all the other ones are in a way. even the evil ones are perfect at being the evil guys).

don't get me wrong. I love edward, too, which girl couldn't. but he's just not real. jacob's behaviour is much more authentic. after all, he's just a teenage boy. and we all know how THEY are, and it's (unfortunately) not like edward.
6th-May-2008 05:53 pm (UTC)
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. OMG.
I've never liked the character in any of the books. I don't think he had any right to tell Bella he loved her, and he probably knew it would mess up her head a bit. The kisses was the line for me, and i was like EW GET OFF HER NOW :| i agree with you so much, it's not true lol. I hate the dog.

BELLA/EDWARD FO' LIFE. :)
13th-Jun-2008 05:22 pm (UTC)
hrm...well let me say this as easily as I can..

I disagree.

"forcing himself on her, when she didn't want him"

okay, for one thing in eclipse bella 'let' jacob kiss her, and yes I know he 'tricked' her but if didn't notice she didn't really care, it was all so she could find out she'd been in love with him the whole time and thats what stephenie was going for. jacob explains himself in eclipse, he says he doesn't want to rip her apart anymore and all he wanted was for her to figure out she loved him and she did. It doesn't change the fact that she loves edward more but when edward left jacob filled a void in bella and that created love. if you disagree with me go back and read eclipse because it says that all through the book through her sneaking off to see him and feeling as if she's hurt him again, which she did, and even reconcilling what happened when he was injured at the end of the book...she tells him she realizes she loves him and come on...jacob doesn't know his own strength and half the time he thought bella was into it, and frankly she was just denying herself because she thought she had to.

if you look at it this way..and jacob says this too..he would have been her natural choice...her soul mate, if there was no edward no vampires then there would be NO werewolves. They would have lived together and made a family, she would have had a natural life with him...so she does love him its just not enough love.

also, he's a sixteen year old boy and of course he looks immature next to edward...edward has had what?? 108 years of experience with humans and he can read minds?? yeah, I think he knows humans pretty well. But jacob doesn't. thats what no one sees. Think about this...Jacob is doing what any guy in love would do, he's trying to save the life of his woman. He see's bella turning into a vampire as an alien thing, because she's giving up her chance on life itself...and her family and friends. He doesn't want to take her away from everyone she loves...not that edward is the bad guy here, no. bella wants this and we all know why, because i'm sure most of you would too.

bottom line is...I don't think Jacob is as bad as everyone makes him out to be, he wasn't trying to rape bella...he was trying to make her see that she loved him and she does.

he realized all this and took his 'maturity' to a whole new level when he agreed to stop 'cutting her in half'

thats why he ran.

oh and another thing...edward doesn't MANIPULATE HER??? what??

when he left, he was trying to 'force' her to get over him
and I wonder if anyone remembers edward dissassembelling bellas truck??? if thats not controlling I dont know what is...

edward always thinks he knows best..hes what I like to call a father figure. lol

look im not trying to shoot down your moon or whatever im sure i'll never convince you to even give jacob a second thought but...

I love his character because of his absolute humaness...he shows heart and soul and I can only hope he imprints and gets it all over with.

cheerio then!

29th-Dec-2008 04:47 am (UTC)
I agree with everything you've written, I'm just to lazy to write that long of a reply
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